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The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon
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Coping With Conscience

My 34 year old daughter is severely autistic, and has been since she was seven. No one knows why and the condition has never varied in its intensity. So she is stuck in time. She knows this and vaguely resents it somewhat but gets on with things as best she can.

Each case of autism is probably unique. My daughter has no facility with numbers or memory but she does with space. As far as I can tell any enclosed space appears to her as a kind of filing system which she can decipher almost instantly. When she was twelve I brought her into a cavernous Virgin megastore to get a particular CD. She had never been in the place before, but after standing in the doorway for three or four seconds, she walked immediately to the correct aisle and bin and picked out the desired CD without any hesitation.

I have a theory, probably rubbish, that autistic people perceive the world as it actually is or, more precisely, within strictly limited categories that might be called ‘natural’, somewhat in the vein of Kantian transcendentals - space, time, numbers, etc. Most, like my daughter and Christopher, the protagonist of The Curious Incident, have no facility with purely linguistic manipulation - metaphor, lying, irony, jokes, complex allusion, actually fiction of any sort. The world is not just literal, it exists in a way that ensures words are always subservient to things and without imagination that it could be any other way.

In my experience autistic people tend to become upset when non-autistic people attempt to reverse the priority by making things subservient to words. This makes the autistic person confused, anxious, and often angry. They appear resentful that such liberties can be taken with what is so obviously reality. In effect, the autistic life is devoted to truth as what is actually ‘there’, stripped of all emotional, figurative, and cultural content.

This makes autistic people often difficult to live with. They insist and they persist about things which appear trivial to others. They nag and needle until they obtain recognition. In those areas that interest them, they are capable of splitting the finest hairs to avoid abandoning their perceptions of the world. They may on occasion conform in order to gain a point but they never really give in. They are stalwart in being, simply, themselves. Adaptation occurs elsewhere, not in them.

It is, therefore, probably impossible for non-autistic people to live without tension among autistic people. The latter are maddening in the solidity of their selves. They are, in a sense, elemental, for all we know formed in the intense energy of a star in some distant galaxy. Fortunately, the fact that most of us cannot understand their elemental force is not something that worries them very much. Their emotional reactions may be intense but these attenuate rapidly, leaving little damaging residue.

Ultimately, perhaps, autistic people are the conscience of the world. And conscience is always troublesome, not because it threatens to judge but because it reveals.

Postscript 19/08/22: My daughter died today of a cerebral stroke, aged 37. I am devastated.
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message 1: by João Carlos (last edited Feb 11, 2018 01:46AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

João Carlos GREAT review... Or great experience of life...
I hope everything "going" well with your old daughter.


BlackOxford João Carlos wrote: "GREAT review...
I hope everything "going" well with your old daughter."


Thanks. Things get neither better nor worse. And stability is I suppose not a terrible outcome.


João Carlos BlackOxford wrote: "João Carlos wrote: "GREAT review...
I hope everything "going" well with your old daughter."

Thanks. Things get neither better nor worse. And stability is I suppose not a terrible outcome."


I understand.
Every day is a new day.
Every day is a different day, always with new challenges...


BlackOxford João Carlos wrote: "BlackOxford wrote: "João Carlos wrote: "GREAT review...
I hope everything "going" well with your old daughter."

Thanks. Things get neither better nor worse. And stability is I suppose not a terrib..."

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message 5: by Dawn (new) - added it

Dawn Thank you very much for this review and your personal insight.


message 6: by Katia (new)

Katia N "Ultimately, perhaps, autistic people are the conscience of the world. And conscience is always troublesome, not because it threatens to judge but because it reveals" - what a beautiful thought!

I am sure we can learn from this type of people a lot, in spite of the difficulties in communication.

Thank you for poignant and honest discussion!


BlackOxford Dawn Carole wrote: "Thank you very much for this review and your personal insight."
Thanks back Dawn Carole.


BlackOxford Katia wrote: ""Ultimately, perhaps, autistic people are the conscience of the world. And conscience is always troublesome, not because it threatens to judge but because it reveals" - what a beautiful thought!

I..."

Thanks for that. The difficulty seems to be that communication must always be on their terms. Part of the insistent persistence about reality.


BlackOxford david wrote: "Great review and from what little I know, I concur. I would suggest that all of us are somewhere on this spectrum. Great, Blackoski."

I think so too. But I’m not sure which direction implies evolutionary progress.


message 10: by Fionnuala (last edited Feb 12, 2018 01:00PM) (new)

Fionnuala Your thoughts on autism ring very true to me, B - from the little experience I have with children diagnosed autistic. The truth that is in things seems to be what they rely on.

david wrote: "..I would suggest that all of us are somewhere on this spectrum..."

I was thinking the same thing as I read B's piece.


BlackOxford Fionnuala wrote: "Your thoughts on autism ring very true to me, B - from the little experience I have with children diagnosed artistic. The truth that is in things seems to be what they rely on.

david wrote: "..I w..."


Thanks F. You’re right. I think anyone with a large enough family can identify a range of sensibilities. There does seem to be the possibility of a built in aesthetic that defies choice and awareness. Then there a few of the rest of us who feel compelled to explain the others so that we can stay in our own reflective sensibilities. Ah well... the paradoxes of being human.


message 12: by Anni (new) - rated it 5 stars

Anni This condition has always intrigued me, thank you for sharing your thoughts and personal experience. Autism seems to me to be a state of true innocence, in the full meaning of the word.


BlackOxford Anne wrote: "This condition has always intrigued me, thank you for sharing your thoughts and personal experience. Autism seems to me to be a state of true innocence, in the full meaning of the word."

Anne, that is my opinion as well. And that’s one of the reasons that it can become unbearable for others.


message 14: by Lori (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lori Thank you, I appreciate your sharing a personal story. I loved that line, "They are stalwart in being, simply, themselves." It is one of the least judgemental things that I've ever read about autistic people.


Linda Wonderful review. Well said!


Ingrid Thank you for this wonderful review! You put in words what I have great difficulty giving words to. I have several autistic people around me, as you say all very different from each other. That moment in the megastore must have been such a special moment. I'm certainly warming towards your theory. It helps the communication to know how they see the world, as we have to be flexible where they aren't. On a personal note: when my brother (psychologist) told me in his later years that he found autistic 'traits' in himself, everything fell into place for me and I understood why he was so special. From then on we had a much better relationship.


Beverly Your description of autism is lovely. I was a teacher for many years and had several autistic students. They each were so different and unique, but all labeled the same. I loved the book as well. 😀


BlackOxford Lori wrote: "Thank you, I appreciate your sharing a personal story. I loved that line, "They are stalwart in being, simply, themselves." It is one of the least judgemental things that I've ever read about autis..."

Thanks Lori. It was certainly a revelation to me.


BlackOxford Linda wrote: "Wonderful review. Well said!"

Thank you, Linda.


BlackOxford Ingrid wrote: "Thank you for this wonderful review! You put in words what I have great difficulty giving words to. I have several autistic people around me, as you say all very different from each other. That mom..."
Thanks Ingrid. I too find them in myself in accepting my daughter’s condition.


BlackOxford Beverly wrote: "Your description of autism is lovely. I was a teacher for many years and had several autistic students. They each were so different and unique, but all labeled the same. I loved the book as well. 😀"

Yes, Beverley, each is unique. Hence even the category ‘autistic’ has no fixed denotation.


message 22: by Michael (new)

Michael Dodsworth Great insight - this is a groundbreaking book full of wonderful humour and pathos. Thank you Black Oxford for sharing this with us. My wife is a psychotherapist and encounters these cases often - she loves this book.


BlackOxford Michael wrote: "Great insight - this is a groundbreaking book full of wonderful humour and pathos. Thank you Black Oxford for sharing this with us. My wife is a psychotherapist and encounters these cases often - s..."

Thanks Michael.


Angela M Thanks so much for sharing your personal perspective.


BlackOxford Angela M wrote: "Thanks so much for sharing your personal perspective."

Thanks back Angela.


BlackOxford david wrote: "Thank you, Black, for just being yourself."

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BlackOxford david wrote: "Ya see, I do not even know how to put emojis on this or any site. Instead, when I am bored, I engage in morning quantum physics."

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BlackOxford david wrote: "Snowflake?"

Quantum interactions. Very mysterious. Hard to pin down. Can lead to explosive consequences.


BlackOxford david wrote: "Your English, Blackarone, yes? What is the difference between a tilbury and a curricle? (My kind of quantum interaction)"
Not that English. No idea.


BlackOxford david wrote: "Ah, you know. You are being coy."

Keine ahnung.


BlackOxford david wrote: "אין לי מושג"

Exactly.


BlackOxford david wrote: "Curricle-a light, open, two-wheeled carriage pulled by two horses side by side. Tilbury-a light, open two-wheeled carriage."

The latter being pulled by a single lonely horse presumably.


Joyce How difficult it must have been for you and the mother of your daughter 27 years ago! Thank you for this review. I am grateful for your sensitive - and yes - philosophical insights into people who are considered "different".


BlackOxford david wrote: "I think, keine ahnung, is the same in Yiddish. I have to look it up."

No need. It is.


BlackOxford david wrote: "I think, keine ahnung, is the same in Yiddish. I have to look it up."

No need. It is.


message 36: by BlackOxford (last edited Feb 11, 2018 06:30AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

BlackOxford Joyce wrote: "How difficult it must have been for you and the mother of your daughter 27 years ago! Thank you for this review. I am grateful for your sensitive - and yes - philosophical insights into people who ..."
Thanks Joyce. Her mother is dead. My daughter’s condition certainly didn’t help in keeping her alive. Ultimately she couldn’t accept it.


Greta G Wonderful review Michael. And thank you for sharing your personal story with us. We can learn so much more from these personal experiences, than from yet another discussion about the book's merits and faults. Reading is such a personal experience after all.
A few weeks ago, I read a memoir of a mother of a still young autistic son, who wrote : "...he is underreactive in his sense of space: he still knocks into people on the street and would talk to me about two inches from my face if I weren’t constantly grabbing his shoulders and pushing him back." (To Siri With Love: A Mother, Her Autistic Son, and the Kindness of a Machine).
So it was interesting to read that your daughter has a facility with space, and this shows again how different each person on the spectrum is and that we should not stereotype them.


message 38: by BlackOxford (last edited Feb 11, 2018 06:44AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

BlackOxford Greta wrote: "Wonderful review Michael. And thank you for sharing your personal story with us. We can learn so much more from these personal experiences, than from yet another discussion about the book's merits ..."

You’re so correct Greta. Like Christopher, my daughter will not make eye contact when conversing. This is very problematic in many situations. And yet others, as in your example, insist on staring down the other person. The fact that there are no entirely general rules for dealing with the condition (or conditions) is one of the most important lessons we all learn eventually, usually after a great deal of mutual frustration. However, having accepted that even the most unusual behaviour is highly purposeful, even if its purpose isn’t totally clear, interactions become much easier. I think this lesson is of general relevance in dealing with everyone, not just those with the condition.


Greta G BlackOxford wrote: "Greta wrote: "Wonderful review Michael. And thank you for sharing your personal story with us. We can learn so much more from these personal experiences, than from yet another discussion about the ..."

Actually, this boy, Gus, didn't make eye contact either. He just had this problem with space.


Joyce So very, very sorry Michael


message 41: by Marc (new)

Marc My deep respect, Michael, for your sharing, and for your subtle, searching way of looking at this condition. I thought I had some notion of what the spectrum is about, but following this thread made clear I seriously have to question my views.


BlackOxford Greta wrote: "BlackOxford wrote: "Greta wrote: "Wonderful review Michael. And thank you for sharing your personal story with us. We can learn so much more from these personal experiences, than from yet another d..."

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BlackOxford Joyce wrote: "So very, very sorry Michael"

Thank you. By now however it's the new normal. If anyone ever needed a justification for the NHS, her case is it. Without them her life would have been a disaster. But they have supplied the most amazing care over the last 27 years, at a level that would have been impossible to buy at any price anywhere.


BlackOxford Marc wrote: "My deep respect, Michael, for your sharing, and for your subtle, searching way of looking at this condition. I thought I had some notion of what the spectrum is about, but following this thread mad..."
Thanks Marc. Talk of the 'spectrum' makes it seem like there is a progressively serious condition. It is clear however that there is not a single condition nor a common etiology. Names are assigned more for comfort than meaningful diagnosis. It is a practical fact that an understanding of brain functions and abnormalities is an infant science.


message 45: by Christine (new) - added it

Christine Amazing, insightful review! Thank you for sharing your personal experience so eloquently.

Having taught several autistic students, in my inclusion classroom (2nd grade), for many years in a Title I school, I find your descriptions to be the most understandable, of any "definition" of autism that I've ever heard. Including those of mental health and special education professionals.

Best wishes to your daughter, and to you! She is lucky to have a dad who has put so much thought into her needs and her worldview. : )


Frank did it ever occur to you that the autistic may simply resent the outsourcing of cognitive effort that goes along with imprecise expression?


BlackOxford Christine wrote: "Amazing, insightful review! Thank you for sharing your personal experience so eloquently.

Having taught several autistic students, in my inclusion classroom (2nd grade), for many years in a Title..."


Thank you so much Christine. When I'm not too annoyed with her, I feel like I'm very lucky to have her as a daughter. Your good wishes are also greatly appreciated.


BlackOxford Frank wrote: "did it ever occur to you that the autistic may simply resent the outsourcing of cognitive effort that goes along with imprecise expression?"

Frank, I can't say it has, but I'm not sure because I don't think understand what you mean.


Carol Thank you for this elegant, insightful review.


message 50: by Will (new) - rated it 3 stars

Will Byrnes Wonderful perspective.


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