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Cloud Atlas
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Dear David Mitchell,
I’ve been trying to figure out the nicest possible way to tell you what I’m about to tell you. I sort of feel like I’ve failed you as a reader, but I just couldn’t suspend my critical mind for long enough to enjoy your book (“how I envied my uncritical…sisters” – I hate it when my own words come back to bite me in the ass, don’t you?). Don’t take it personally though. I’m the girl who didn't like The Matrix. I know, right? How could anyone dislike The Matrix? All of the neat-o keen-o special effects, the super cool concept of the world actually being run by sentient machines, the homage to Baudrillard (If you haven’t read Simulacra & Simulation, read it. It’ll blow your mind.)(By the way, Baudrillard said the siblings Wachowski completely misinterpreted his work, but I digress), and the kick-ass soundtrack (okay so it wasn’t really all that kick ass). Unfortunately at the end of the day, Keanu Reeves can’t act his way out of a paper bag, and this girl just couldn’t get past that fact.
For the first half of the novel, I kept trying to psych myself up by reminding myself how much I disliked the first four episodes of season one of The Wire: “This is just another contrived crime drama!” “Dominic West really needs to work on his American accent." "Not enough Idris Elba.” Then we meet Omar Little and BAM! It all starts to click. (Don’t you just love Omar?)(shhhh, no spoilers, I’m only on season three). I kept waiting for that BAM! moment, but it just never came. Instead I found myself more and more frustrated, finding fault with every gimmick. E.g., If language has devolved in the future, you really need to commit to your chosen alterations. If you decide flight will be ‘flite’ then sight should be ‘site,’ etc. Go all the way, I say! Oh what, you think that would be too annoying? Ur rite. It would b. So y chanj da spelng at al? It just ends up being distracting. Think of another way to say "THIS IS THE FUTURE!!!" without being so obvious about it. Similarly, when you wanted the audience to know it was the 70's, you could have found a more subtle way of doing it than saying "THEY'RE AT A PARTY LISTENING TO DISCO AND DOING COCAINE!" It's the 70's man, I get it.
It seemed to me like you didn’t have enough faith in the intelligence of your audience to get the gist without spoon-feeding it to us. If the reader didn’t pick up on the “nested dolls” analogy all by themselves (or by having Chabon tell them on the back cover) you make sure Grimaldi spells it out for us: ‘One model of time: an infinite matryoshka doll of painted moments, each “shell” (the present) encased inside a nest of “shells” (previous presents) I call the actual past but which we perceive as the virtual past.” Etc. “Revolutionary or gimmicky?” I’ll take gimmicky for 1000, Alex (damned if your words don’t keep biting you in the ass, eh Davey boy?).
If you’ve read the book, than you know that each chapter or story is in some way “read” by a character in another story (journals, letters, film). A clever idea for sure. The thing about clever ideas is this, you really need to trust that your reader is as clever as you! We can pick these things up without you telling us. I mean come on (view spoiler) the look of disgust on my face must have been a sight to see.
Let's talk about the Sloosha chapter for a moment (but just for a moment because I’m trying to repress the memory). I'm sure you were going for something really important and profound there, but it was completely lost on me because that 'style' you came up with was ridiculously irritating. I was unable to become emotionally invested in the relationship between Zachry & Meronym in the slightest. It’s the fall of humanity for chrissakes and I could not have given a shit less.
At least you have a sense of humor about it all, right pal? You saw the criticisms coming, and you gave them a swift kick in the ass (well, your character did, literally) right from the get-go. "The Ghost of Sir Felix Finch whines, “But it’s been done a hundred times before!” – as if there could be anything not done a hundred thousand times between Aristophanes and Andrew Void[sic]-Webber! As if Art is the What, not the How!” Oh man, you said it. Art is not the what, it’s the how; and in this instance, for me, the how is, well, not great. From the Mrs. Robinson romps to the three stooges escape hijinx, and let’s not forget the lovableErin Brockovich Luisa Rey chapters. If you were experimenting with genres, take note, pulp is not your thing. I could go on and on (honestly I could) but I really don’t think it matters.
Anyway, I’m sure one little dissenter doesn’t matter much, right? Millions of people love this book, just like Dan Brown’s! Hey, they even got the same actor to star in the film! AND you got Wachowski directing (isn’t it serendipitous how my Matrix side story is actually relevant now?). You’re going to rack in the Euros buddy. If it means anything, I thought Black Swan Green was ace in the face!
Hug?
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Jenn(ifer)'s review
bookshelves: read-in-2012, gr-group-coreads, my-reviews-that-dont-suck
Sep 11, 2012
bookshelves: read-in-2012, gr-group-coreads, my-reviews-that-dont-suck
Dear David Mitchell,
I’ve been trying to figure out the nicest possible way to tell you what I’m about to tell you. I sort of feel like I’ve failed you as a reader, but I just couldn’t suspend my critical mind for long enough to enjoy your book (“how I envied my uncritical…sisters” – I hate it when my own words come back to bite me in the ass, don’t you?). Don’t take it personally though. I’m the girl who didn't like The Matrix. I know, right? How could anyone dislike The Matrix? All of the neat-o keen-o special effects, the super cool concept of the world actually being run by sentient machines, the homage to Baudrillard (If you haven’t read Simulacra & Simulation, read it. It’ll blow your mind.)(By the way, Baudrillard said the siblings Wachowski completely misinterpreted his work, but I digress), and the kick-ass soundtrack (okay so it wasn’t really all that kick ass). Unfortunately at the end of the day, Keanu Reeves can’t act his way out of a paper bag, and this girl just couldn’t get past that fact.
For the first half of the novel, I kept trying to psych myself up by reminding myself how much I disliked the first four episodes of season one of The Wire: “This is just another contrived crime drama!” “Dominic West really needs to work on his American accent." "Not enough Idris Elba.” Then we meet Omar Little and BAM! It all starts to click. (Don’t you just love Omar?)(shhhh, no spoilers, I’m only on season three). I kept waiting for that BAM! moment, but it just never came. Instead I found myself more and more frustrated, finding fault with every gimmick. E.g., If language has devolved in the future, you really need to commit to your chosen alterations. If you decide flight will be ‘flite’ then sight should be ‘site,’ etc. Go all the way, I say! Oh what, you think that would be too annoying? Ur rite. It would b. So y chanj da spelng at al? It just ends up being distracting. Think of another way to say "THIS IS THE FUTURE!!!" without being so obvious about it. Similarly, when you wanted the audience to know it was the 70's, you could have found a more subtle way of doing it than saying "THEY'RE AT A PARTY LISTENING TO DISCO AND DOING COCAINE!" It's the 70's man, I get it.
It seemed to me like you didn’t have enough faith in the intelligence of your audience to get the gist without spoon-feeding it to us. If the reader didn’t pick up on the “nested dolls” analogy all by themselves (or by having Chabon tell them on the back cover) you make sure Grimaldi spells it out for us: ‘One model of time: an infinite matryoshka doll of painted moments, each “shell” (the present) encased inside a nest of “shells” (previous presents) I call the actual past but which we perceive as the virtual past.” Etc. “Revolutionary or gimmicky?” I’ll take gimmicky for 1000, Alex (damned if your words don’t keep biting you in the ass, eh Davey boy?).
If you’ve read the book, than you know that each chapter or story is in some way “read” by a character in another story (journals, letters, film). A clever idea for sure. The thing about clever ideas is this, you really need to trust that your reader is as clever as you! We can pick these things up without you telling us. I mean come on (view spoiler) the look of disgust on my face must have been a sight to see.
Let's talk about the Sloosha chapter for a moment (but just for a moment because I’m trying to repress the memory). I'm sure you were going for something really important and profound there, but it was completely lost on me because that 'style' you came up with was ridiculously irritating. I was unable to become emotionally invested in the relationship between Zachry & Meronym in the slightest. It’s the fall of humanity for chrissakes and I could not have given a shit less.
At least you have a sense of humor about it all, right pal? You saw the criticisms coming, and you gave them a swift kick in the ass (well, your character did, literally) right from the get-go. "The Ghost of Sir Felix Finch whines, “But it’s been done a hundred times before!” – as if there could be anything not done a hundred thousand times between Aristophanes and Andrew Void[sic]-Webber! As if Art is the What, not the How!” Oh man, you said it. Art is not the what, it’s the how; and in this instance, for me, the how is, well, not great. From the Mrs. Robinson romps to the three stooges escape hijinx, and let’s not forget the lovable
Anyway, I’m sure one little dissenter doesn’t matter much, right? Millions of people love this book, just like Dan Brown’s! Hey, they even got the same actor to star in the film! AND you got Wachowski directing (isn’t it serendipitous how my Matrix side story is actually relevant now?). You’re going to rack in the Euros buddy. If it means anything, I thought Black Swan Green was ace in the face!
Hug?
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Reading Progress
September 11, 2012
– Shelved
September 15, 2012
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Started Reading
September 16, 2012
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5.89%
"D-Mitch, why are you boring me so? I'm struggling hard to get into this"
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30
September 17, 2012
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17.68%
"If one of Renwicks's Austrian doctors opened up her head, a whole beehive of neuroses would swarm out."
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90
September 18, 2012
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36.35%
"much better, DMitch. Did you have some student of yours write chapter 3? Cos that was crap. I almost gave up on you there buddy boy. I no longer have the urge to punch your book in the face."
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185
September 19, 2012
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42.24%
"Ah, I envied my uncritical, unthinking sisters...
That is not quite the same as wishing to be one."
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215
That is not quite the same as wishing to be one."
September 19, 2012
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49.12%
"does anyone want to translate the Sloosha chapter for me? just give me the quick and dirty synopsis cos this shit is making my head hurt."
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September 21, 2012
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70.73%
"Books don't offer real escape, but they can stop a mind scratching itself raw."
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360
September 23, 2012
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read-in-2012
September 23, 2012
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gr-group-coreads
September 23, 2012
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Finished Reading
December 18, 2012
– Shelved as:
my-reviews-that-dont-suck
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Sep 11, 2012 11:43AM
It looks like today's just gonna be a whole lot of YES READ THIS YESTERDAY comments....
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I thought I had it on the list already! Mary & I are going to read this next (side read of IJ -- what am I getting myself into?)
Jenn(ifer) wrote: "what am I getting myself into?"
Something magical!
Not gonna lie, I'm starting to fear IJ.
Something magical!
Not gonna lie, I'm starting to fear IJ.
Mary wrote: "Madeleine don't worry, we have Kris in that group, remember? Kris knows all."
Has a truer comment ever been made? I think not!
Jenn(ifer) wrote: "No need to fear IJ. It's a beast, but the lovable kind!"
Does it sing and dance? Will it show me its onanistic library?
Thanks for the reassurance, guys! I just started having flashbacks to how stupid "Gravity's Rainbow" made me feel in 20 pages and the fear came on fast.
Has a truer comment ever been made? I think not!
Jenn(ifer) wrote: "No need to fear IJ. It's a beast, but the lovable kind!"
Does it sing and dance? Will it show me its onanistic library?
Thanks for the reassurance, guys! I just started having flashbacks to how stupid "Gravity's Rainbow" made me feel in 20 pages and the fear came on fast.
IJ isn't nearly as confusing. Or it's confusing in a different way. Or something. But we're talking about two of my most favorite books of life, so maybe I just enjoy being confused?
I figured there won't be any mind-boggling physics equations or obscure '40s references in IJ, which was a relief.
Your love for both IJ and GR makes me feel better. GR was my true gateway drug to Pynchon and I did mostly love it but.... gah, I think it's the "confusing in a different way" prospect that has me a little intimidated. That, and my terminal inferiority complex just has me worried that I'll be the idiot at the smart kids' table.
Your love for both IJ and GR makes me feel better. GR was my true gateway drug to Pynchon and I did mostly love it but.... gah, I think it's the "confusing in a different way" prospect that has me a little intimidated. That, and my terminal inferiority complex just has me worried that I'll be the idiot at the smart kids' table.
No way, you could never be that! Seriously, it's not "what the fuck just happened here" confusing or "what the fuck is he talking about" confusing... it's just a LOT of characters, and the timeline is weird, and the footnotes, my GOD the footnotes! But you'll love it. You will! I insist!
I probably didn't understand half of Gravity's Rainbow, but it was just so funny and amazing that in the end, I really didn't care.
I probably didn't understand half of Gravity's Rainbow, but it was just so funny and amazing that in the end, I really didn't care.
Madeleine wrote: "That, and my terminal inferiority complex just has me worried that I'll be the idiot at the smart kids' table."
That seat's taken by me lol did you not see me in the TM&M group?
That seat's taken by me lol did you not see me in the TM&M group?
Jason wrote: "
STOP EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING. And go read Cloud Atlas.
(Is that what you meant, Madeleine?)"
Listen to Jason. He speaks the truth.
STOP EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING. And go read Cloud Atlas.
(Is that what you meant, Madeleine?)"
Listen to Jason. He speaks the truth.
Jenn(ifer) wrote: "No way, you could never be that!"
Aw, thanks! :)
Seriously, it's not "what the fuck just happened here" confusing or "what the fuck is he talking about" confusing... it's just a LOT of characters, and the timeline is weird, and the footnotes, my GOD the footnotes! But you'll love it. You will! I insist!
Since you insist, I guess I'll just resign myself to loving it, confusion be damned!
Seriously, you've made me feel a lot better about IJ. I've wanted to love it ever since all 35 pounds of it landed on my porch but feel like I should fear it. Your comments have gone a long way in staving off my readerly anxiety, so thank you and thank you again for that.
I probably didn't understand half of Gravity's Rainbow, but it was just so funny and amazing that in the end, I really didn't care.
.... and you just perfectly described my relationship with that book. There were times I'd read a passage over and over again and NOT be frustrated because rereading always unearthed something new and wonderful and mind-mushing to make me fall even harder for Pynchon's ridiculous brain.
Mary wrote: "That seat's taken by me lol did you not see me in the TM&M group?"
Quiet, you! The beginning of your review is hacking away at my resolve to not read the group's thoughts on the book 'til I'm done. You're a smart cookie made of awesome and we all know it.
Aw, thanks! :)
Seriously, it's not "what the fuck just happened here" confusing or "what the fuck is he talking about" confusing... it's just a LOT of characters, and the timeline is weird, and the footnotes, my GOD the footnotes! But you'll love it. You will! I insist!
Since you insist, I guess I'll just resign myself to loving it, confusion be damned!
Seriously, you've made me feel a lot better about IJ. I've wanted to love it ever since all 35 pounds of it landed on my porch but feel like I should fear it. Your comments have gone a long way in staving off my readerly anxiety, so thank you and thank you again for that.
I probably didn't understand half of Gravity's Rainbow, but it was just so funny and amazing that in the end, I really didn't care.
.... and you just perfectly described my relationship with that book. There were times I'd read a passage over and over again and NOT be frustrated because rereading always unearthed something new and wonderful and mind-mushing to make me fall even harder for Pynchon's ridiculous brain.
Mary wrote: "That seat's taken by me lol did you not see me in the TM&M group?"
Quiet, you! The beginning of your review is hacking away at my resolve to not read the group's thoughts on the book 'til I'm done. You're a smart cookie made of awesome and we all know it.
The movie is coming out. That should be interesting. I really liked this book btw. Oh and speaking of movies, go see The Master.
Markus wrote: "The movie is coming out. That should be interesting. I really liked this book btw. Oh and speaking of movies, go see The Master."
don't tell me what to do!
(p.s., did you like it from the beginning? cos I gotta say, i'm not loving it right now)
don't tell me what to do!
(p.s., did you like it from the beginning? cos I gotta say, i'm not loving it right now)
I definitely didn't not like it from the beginning. But for me, Sloosha's Crossin' is what cemented my love for this book.
No , i didnt like the 1st section at all until the dude started getting sick. wait til you see how that turns out.
Markus wrote: "You obv never watched Bachelor Party."
No way Tom Hanks could have gotten Tawny Kitean!
No way Tom Hanks could have gotten Tawny Kitean!
Thanks, Penk! We love, love, love that movie!
Ladykillers was so strange, haha. That sniveling laugh Hanks would do. Eek!
Ladykillers was so strange, haha. That sniveling laugh Hanks would do. Eek!
Exactly! That was a weird one, but I liked Hanks in it, he charmed me! I might add Volunteers to the list, but that was more because of John Candy that Hanks.
Bruce Dern's character in The Burbs was jacked up. One of the oddest characters I believe I've ever seen. He made the Klopeks look normal!
Volunteers. Can't remember that one. But I looooove John Candy!! Great Outdoors for him and Dan Ackroyd both. Perfect 80s movie-makin!
Volunteers. Can't remember that one. But I looooove John Candy!! Great Outdoors for him and Dan Ackroyd both. Perfect 80s movie-makin!
Ouch! No love for this one, huh? Waiting for the outraged cries of "Heretic!" Personally, I have no opinion, not having read it.
Rod wrote: "Ouch! No love for this one, huh? Waiting for the outraged cries of "Heretic!" Personally, I have no opinion, not having read it."
you're a lucky man
you're a lucky man
black swan green was really awesome.
also Hanks is apparently a cool dude and says that the nicest thing about being thought of as the nicest guy in hollywood is that no one finds any of the rotting bodies in your basement
also Hanks is apparently a cool dude and says that the nicest thing about being thought of as the nicest guy in hollywood is that no one finds any of the rotting bodies in your basement
oh no you di'int just compare this book to a dan brown novel! <z-snap>
I just finished reading this review and it's so funny because when you got to the whole actual past vs. virtual past thing, I honestly started to reflect back on how cool that whole concept was to me, as well as that of the actual vs. virtual future.
This virtual future may influence the actual future, as in a self-fulfilling prophesy, but the actual future will eclipse our virtual one as surely as tomorrow eclipses today.
I just finished reading this review and it's so funny because when you got to the whole actual past vs. virtual past thing, I honestly started to reflect back on how cool that whole concept was to me, as well as that of the actual vs. virtual future.
This virtual future may influence the actual future, as in a self-fulfilling prophesy, but the actual future will eclipse our virtual one as surely as tomorrow eclipses today.
Stephen M wrote: "Damn, same as Dan Brown? Ouch.
The rest is fair.
I'll be back when I reread."
That was a mean little jab, I know, but it was all in good fun. I love DMitch; just didn't like this book. He can definitely write (as evidenced by BSG), but this one didn't work for me.
The rest is fair.
I'll be back when I reread."
That was a mean little jab, I know, but it was all in good fun. I love DMitch; just didn't like this book. He can definitely write (as evidenced by BSG), but this one didn't work for me.
No, like I said the rest of the criticisms are certainly fair and very intelligent. I only had your updates to judge from before and I was worried it was just going to be a hate fest.
I haven't read this in three years, otherwise I'd be able to back up my sneering and huffing.
I haven't read this in three years, otherwise I'd be able to back up my sneering and huffing.
The Matrix isn't all that great, in my opinion. Just a fun action flick with a little bit of intellectualism to chew on.
Have you gotten to s.penk's review yet? I'd almost say some of what you criticize is why I love it. Both The Matrix and this book hold that similarity of intellectualism and entertaining fun. I think if you come at D. Mitch's work with a high expectation for something extremely literary (like Ulysses et al.) it might be disappointing. I see his novels as fun first and foremost. The intellectualism stuff is just an added bit of enjoyment for the more literary minded pulp readers.
Have you gotten to s.penk's review yet? I'd almost say some of what you criticize is why I love it. Both The Matrix and this book hold that similarity of intellectualism and entertaining fun. I think if you come at D. Mitch's work with a high expectation for something extremely literary (like Ulysses et al.) it might be disappointing. I see his novels as fun first and foremost. The intellectualism stuff is just an added bit of enjoyment for the more literary minded pulp readers.